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če verjameš da bo naslednja konzola ki naj bi stala maksimalno 400€ imela grafično ki stane 350€....

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Mah tle se itak steje lower production cost ob masovni proizvodnji+M$ in Sony itak konzole na zacetku prodajata z izgubo.

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Mah tle se itak steje lower production cost ob masovni proizvodnji+M$ in Sony itak konzole na zacetku prodajata z izgubo.

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nene sej sm se zmotu. 7970M je čist drugo kot 7970. Verzija ki bo v konzolah je za laptope verzija.

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Kot je Jacobi omenil, je tle ogromen discount zaradi masovne proizvodnje. Tuki se cifre sučejo okoli 30 milijonov čipov (za začetek), tko da se produkcijski stroški zelo zmanjšajo. Se pa računa, da bosta Sony in MS, ki bosta šla na full force karto, spušila več kot 100 zelencev na proizvedeno konzolo. Zakaj pa misliš, da so 1st party špili vedno dražji? Bing, filanje luknje...

AMD, ARM, Nvidia, IBM... zelo zavzeto sodelujejo z vsemi tremi velikimi na trgu (s tem da Nintendo v prenosnih konzolah uprablja ARM procesorje), tako da so čipi sestavljeni in razviti NAMENSKO in se jih zato ne da primerjat s karticami za PC. Tako je lahko skupek silicija, ki MS stane 35 € enako učinkovit ali še bolj od desetkrat dražje kartice za PC...

itak pa nekako ob štartu nove generacije ne gre pričakovati nekih prelomnih naslovov. Molža serij, pa neki za potešitev grafičnih kurb (da dolžine, kjer potem ob naviti ceni za uro igranja dobesedno plačaš 10 €, ne govorim), morda kak skriti biser in to je to...

bo pa fajn gledat, če se DFjevo poročanje izkaže za točno in bosta imela tako X720 kot PS4 do pičice enak osrednji procesor.

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CVG sources: Sony to abandon DualShock design for PS4 A senior games studio source working on an upcoming Sony game says the new system's controller has undergone numerous iterations, few of which resemble the DualShock build that has become synonymous with PlayStation. Experiments within Sony's R&D department are thought to have been extensive. Versions of the new PS4 pad include biometric sensors on the grips and an LCD touch screen, the development source claimed. A second source, working in a separate part of the industry but still connected to Sony, said PlayStation engineers are "trying to emulate the same user interface philosophies as the PS Vita". This is likely a reference to the touch-screen capabilities of the PlayStation handheld, and a suggestion that Sony will tightly integrate its portable and home systems.The new console - codenamed Orbis - will be revealed in a matter of weeks, not months. Sony has declined to comment.

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Sony to drop DualShock for the next PlayStation Sony will drop the DualShock controller for the next PlayStation, according to a new report. Sources told CVG Sony has tested new controllers with biometric sensors on the grips and an LCD touch-screen. This information tallies with what Eurogamer has heard from our own sources. We understand that as of six months ago Sony was testing a controller that had an LCD touch-screen on the front and biometrics functionality on the back. These designs, we were told, have changed almost every month, but are for the controller for the next PlayStation. Biometrics technology captures data from the player's body, such as temperature and heart rate. Half-Life developer Valve has been experimenting with the tech, trying to discover new game experiences that would benefit from it.

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Kot je Jacobi omenil, je tle ogromen discount zaradi masovne proizvodnje. Tuki se cifre sučejo okoli 30 milijonov čipov (za začetek), tko da se produkcijski stroški zelo zmanjšajo. Se pa računa, da bosta Sony in MS, ki bosta šla na full force karto, spušila več kot 100 zelencev na proizvedeno konzolo. Zakaj pa misliš, da so 1st party špili vedno dražji? Bing, filanje luknje...

AMD, ARM, Nvidia, IBM... zelo zavzeto sodelujejo z vsemi tremi velikimi na trgu (s tem da Nintendo v prenosnih konzolah uprablja ARM procesorje), tako da so čipi sestavljeni in razviti NAMENSKO in se jih zato ne da primerjat s karticami za PC. Tako je lahko skupek silicija, ki MS stane 35 € enako učinkovit ali še bolj od desetkrat dražje kartice za PC...

itak pa nekako ob štartu nove generacije ne gre pričakovati nekih prelomnih naslovov. Molža serij, pa neki za potešitev grafičnih kurb (da dolžine, kjer potem ob naviti ceni za uro igranja dobesedno plačaš 10 €, ne govorim), morda kak skriti biser in to je to...

bo pa fajn gledat, če se DFjevo poročanje izkaže za točno in bosta imela tako X720 kot PS4 do pičice enak osrednji procesor.

večino pridobi MS itak zarad xbox live in tega nazaj. Drgač pa na začetku ni nikoli 30miljonov saj ni mogoče proizvedet toliko konzol tako hitro. V roku pol leta okrog 5 miljonov. Čeprav dvomim da se jih bo tolko v pol leta sploh prodalo. To da je bolj učinkovit od 10x dražje kartice si pa potegnu iz riti. To ne drži niti na xbox 360 in ps3 in ne bo niti na next gen konzolah. Res pa je da bojo ob koncu naslednje genracije(upajmo da max 5 let) igre izkoristile dost več kot pa na začetku. Mal tweakanja pri anti analysingu in lohk 30FPS dobiš kar hitro. Prvo leto itak ne bo kaj novega. Gears of war 4 nov halo in isti cod. To bo to. Čez okrog 3 leta bojo pa nehali delat multiplatform igre za 360 in ps3 in takrat bo bolj vidna razlika. Ko se začne pa sigurno ne kupim.

Drgač pa itak dokler ni modov in tega na konzolah sploh nevem če bom kupu naslednjo generacijo saj mi to zatiranje kreativnosti gre počas že na živce.

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Še malo govoričenja o Orbisu

PlayStation Orbis: Spec highlights

Distilled down to the fundamentals, these are the details we can share about the technological make-up of the next generation PlayStation.

CPU: Eight-core AMD processor running at 1.6GHz

Graphics core: Radeon HD hardware, 18 compute units at 800MHz

Additional hardware: GPU-like Compute module, some resources reserved by the OS

System-on-chip codename: Liverpool

Memory: 4GB GDDR5, 512MB reserved by the OS

"Orbis has a singular focus on delivering high-end performance without breaking the bank - our take on the specs is that this is a machine built to last with a huge amount of potential."

"The next-gen Xbox refines DirectX 11 for a fixed hardware gaming platform while Orbis sees a revised version of the LibGCM API used on PlayStation 3 and PS Vita."

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Drgač pa itak dokler ni modov in tega na konzolah sploh nevem če bom kupu naslednjo generacijo saj mi to zatiranje kreativnosti gre počas že na živce.

Kako ironičen stavek. :lol

Me zanima kakšne bodo prve igre teh next-gen konzol, tako kreativno/inovativno kot tudi vizualno. :rock:

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Nekaj takega

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EH42eqtqjU

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKTUk1CwWTk

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdGxUyGc1tg

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Kako ironičen stavek. :lol

Me zanima kakšne bodo prve igre teh next-gen konzol, tako kreativno/inovativno kot tudi vizualno. :rock:

ironičen ker?

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Zato ker se pritožuješ nad zatiranjem kreativnosti, hkrati pa jamraš da ni "modov in tega na konzolah". Plačaj igro in podpiraj kreativnost! :cheerful:

In ne mi s tem, da modi omogočajo še marsikaj drugega razen igranja piratskih iger. Prvotni namen modov je igranje piratov, šele sekundarnega pomena so vse druge funkcije.

Če sem te narobe razumel in si mislil z zatiranjem kreativnosti kaj drugega, potem pozabi mojo "ironijo". :D

Aja, pa če Sony ne bo prilagodil svojega kontrolerja za večje roke, potem naj se lepo j...! :kratos:

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X720

As we promised during the weekend in the next weeks we will unveil Durango and Orbis. All the technical info you want to know about the next generation machines from Sony and Microsoft.

The first one is Durango. In this article we present the system overview with the general components and some technical details about them.

How are durango components connected?

Here you can see the Durango system block diagram:

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Let’s check what’s inside the box:

CPU:

- x64 Architecture

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache

- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache

- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

GPU:

- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor

- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads

- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle

- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)

- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)

- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

- Hard drive is always present

- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive

Networking:

- Gigabit Ethernet

- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct

Hardware Accelerators:

- Move engines

- Image, video, and audio codecs

- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware

- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing

Direkt kot so Kinezi leakli mesec dni nazaj. Večji, počasnejšji pomnilnik (8GB, 2-3 GB rezerve za sistem) + hiter ESRAm (32 mb) kot pri konkurentu. Tko da kar se raw power tiče, je tuki Orbis v znatni prednosti (1.2 TFlop vs 1.84 Tflop)

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Zato ker se pritožuješ nad zatiranjem kreativnosti, hkrati pa jamraš da ni "modov in tega na konzolah". Plačaj igro in podpiraj kreativnost! :cheerful:

In ne mi s tem, da modi omogočajo še marsikaj drugega razen igranja piratskih iger. Prvotni namen modov je igranje piratov, šele sekundarnega pomena so vse druge funkcije.

Če sem te narobe razumel in si mislil z zatiranjem kreativnosti kaj drugega, potem pozabi mojo "ironijo". :D

Aja, pa če Sony ne bo prilagodil svojega kontrolerja za večje roke, potem naj se lepo j...! :kratos:

nene pod mode mislim to kar dela skyrim na PC npr. Imam org. Skyrim za PC btw. In z zatiranjem tud mislim da ne pridejo gor kakšne dobre indie igre ampak šele potem ko so slavne in še takrat v slabši obliki kot npr Minecraft ki ima zakon mode. Tud kakšn DayZ je epic mod ki sm ga kupu in igral dost časa. Ravn danes sm prišu še not v SpyParty beto na katero sm čaku eno leto in bom plaču 15€ da lohk igram.

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Spet ena smešna izjava iz strani Kaz Hirai-a, šefa Sonya:

Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?

Ker bi MS v teh par mesecih (bolj verjetno tednih) popolnoma spremenili drobovje konzole. :D Sicer pa je tako že vse leakano, tako da si lahko pogledajo konkurenco. :P

Vir: Eurogamer

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Spet ena smešna izjava iz strani Kaz Hirai-a, šefa Sonya:

Ker bi MS v teh par mesecih (bolj verjetno tednih) popolnoma spremenili drobovje konzole. :D Sicer pa je tako že vse leakano, tako da si lahko pogledajo konkurenco. :P

Vir: Eurogamer

true that. Zdj spreminjat ni več mogoče. Sploh pa so tile leaki dokaj verjetni.

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Sonyju je MS že za X360 "ukradel" tehnologijo za procesor, ker so isti inžinirji, ki so delali na Cellu in jih je Sony drago plačeval, delali tudi na X360 procesorju in je Sony praktično plačal tudi razvoj X360 CPUja...

The Xbox 360 has turned out to be a formidable competitor to the PlayStation 3, and Sony may have unknowingly contributed to its success. So say David Shippy and Mickie Phipps, who wrote a book about how IBM engineers quietly built the 360's Xenon processor in parallel with the PS3's Cell CPU. The Wall Street Journal has the details:

When the companies entered into their partnership in 2001, Sony, Toshiba and IBM committed themselves to spending $400 million over five years to design the Cell, not counting the millions of dollars it would take to build two production facilities for making the chip itself. IBM provided the bulk of the manpower, with the design team headquartered at its Austin, Texas, offices. Sony and Toshiba sent teams of engineers to Austin to live and work with their partners in an effort to have the Cell ready for the Playstation 3's target launch, Christmas 2005.

But a funny thing happened along the way: A new "partner" entered the picture. In late 2002, Microsoft approached IBM about making the chip for Microsoft's rival game console, the (as yet unnamed) Xbox 360. In 2003, IBM's Adam Bennett showed Microsoft specs for the still-in-development Cell core. Microsoft was interested and contracted with IBM for their own chip, to be built around the core that IBM was still building with Sony.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Sony and Toshiba had agreed that IBM would sell the Cell to other clients. However, they didn't expect IBM to sell "key parts" of the chip to a competing console maker before development was through.

In The Race for a New Game Machine, Shippy and Phipps recount situations like IBM staffers "hiding their work from Sony and Toshiba engineers in the cubicles next to them" and testing the Xenon "a few floors" up from the Cell designers. They say Microsoft ended up with its first Xenon chips six weeks before Sony, too.

Me pa zanima kako bo Sony zagotovil kompatibilnost za nazaj, tukaj vidim edino varianto, da še naprej vgrajujeo Cell procesor.

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Sonyju je MS že za X360 "ukradel" tehnologijo za procesor, ker so isti inžinirji, ki so delali na Cellu in jih je Sony drago plačeval, delali tudi na X360 procesorju in je Sony praktično plačal tudi razvoj X360 CPUja...

Me pa zanima kako bo Sony zagotovil kompatibilnost za nazaj, tukaj vidim edino varianto, da še naprej vgrajujeo Cell procesor.

kupli so gaikai... tu je kompatibilnost za nazaj. Drgač pa tile procesorji je prou bogo da porabijo tolk denarja da jih naredijo ker potem pridejo tko hitro že novi in boljši vn.

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ORBIS

LIVERPOOL SOC

Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)

Provides good performance with low power consumtion

Integrated CPU and GPU

Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs

PU:

Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”

Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache

256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU

SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)

One hardware thread per core

Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle

Out of order execution

Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)

Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance

102.4 GFlops for system

GPU:

GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture

DirectX 11.1+ feature set

Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture

18 Compute Units (CUs)

Hardware balanced at 14 CUs

Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache

800 Mhz

1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s

Dual shader engines

18 texture units

8 Render backends

UPDATE: some people is confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:

Each CU contains dedicated:

- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)

- Texture Unit

- L1 data cache

- Local data share (LDS)

About 14 + 4 balance:

- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute

- Minor boost if used for rendering

Dual Shader Engines:

- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s

18 Texture units

- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s

- Can utilize full memory bandwith

8 Render backends:

- 32 color ops/cycle

- 128 depth ops/cycle

- Can utilize full memory bandwith

Memory:

4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s

3.5 available to games (estimate)

Storage:

- High speed Blu-ray drive

single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs

Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)

Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)

Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x

- Internal mass storage

One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD

There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future

Networking:

1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth

Peripherals:

Evolved Dualshock controller

Dual Camera

Move controller

Extra:

Audio Processor (ACP)

Video encode and decode (VCE/UVD) units

Display ScanOut Engine (DCE)

Zlib Decompression Hardware

Sploh zanimiva rešitev, da so 4 CUje dali na stran za dodatno uporabo programerjem. ZDej še da vidimo Durangove specs, vendar se mi zdi, da bi v pravih rokah Orbis lahko kar fino profitiral proti Durangu s strani malo nekovencionalne arhitekturne rešitve.

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Me samo zanima kak kontroler bo PS dal ven. Upam samo da ne bo kaj jajčastega, ker ne vem zakaj bi šli spreminjat trenutni kontroler, sploh to z biometričnim senzorjem oz. LCD zaslonom ne vem kako bodo vtaknili vkup. Pa tisti biometrični senzor če bo res ne vem čemu.

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Jaz upam da kontrolerji ostajajo. Xbox bo itak še imel kinekt.

Eni se razburjajo zaradi domneve da bo imel CPU premali takt. Kakšna bo kaj realna cena. Folk pričakuje overkill high end pc zavit v plastično ohišje za 300-400 €.

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Dom (Home) bo na PS4 postal velika fešta (BigFest)!? :beer:

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???

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g82C4Nu_Jq8

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ULTRA SUPER SLIM PS3!

Sej ne, ampak bi bil presenečen če napovejo PS4, zaradi nedavne izjave Sony šefa. :?

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Evo vam PS4, igranje v oblaku :cryingeyesout:

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