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Jaz osebno HDTV LCD-ja večje velikosti ne bi kupoval.

Prijatelju sem poleti svetoval nakup top modela Samsung 32, iz tujine za okoli 360k.

Nima še nobenega izvora HD in je ob priklopu DVD-ja in navadnega TV signala samo strmel v sliko in se spravil na mene, kaj sem mu svetoval to za en jajc in neki HDTV. Slika je bila na tem izvoru porazna. :)

In zakaj ne LCD ? Za mene osebno, ima še kar nekaj minusov.

...The picture quality of LCD has historically suffered from poor black levels, but the latest versions are much improved, if not quite up to the best plasmas. That's because LCDs cannot achieve a true black since there's always some light leaking through the pixels. Color saturation is also generally inferior to plasma, again as a result of the inability to completely blacken (turn off) the pixels. Light leakage affects the purity of the color.

Viewing angle is another weakness of LCD compared to plasma. On every LCD we've reviewed, we witnessed some brightness and color shift visible when we watched from an angle that's far from the sweet spot right in front of the TV (to either side, and especially above or below). Plasmas look equally good from very wide angles.

...In plasma displays, each pixel contains red, green, and blue elements, which work in conjunction to create 16.77 million colors. Insofar as each pixel contains all the elements needed to produce every color in the spectrum, color information was more accurately reproduced with plasma technology than it was with other display technologies. The chromaticity coordinates were more accurate on most plasma displays. Though the color saturation resulting from the pixel design of plasma displays is remarkable, LCD technology has nearly caught plasma in gray scaling color accuracy. Plasma continues to exhibit more richness in color information and more natural coloration. Today, SMPTE color coordinates in top plasma TVs still normally outperform those in LCDs, which tend toward oversaturation.

On the other hand, LCDs will generally have higher native resolution than plasmas of the same size, leading to slightly better detail with HD and computer sources--although high-resolution plasmas have plenty of detail for most viewers. LCD spec sheets often talk about response time, but in our experience, almost all newer LCDs have adequate response time to deal with fast motion. LCDs also have a reputation for being brighter than plasmas, and while that's technically true, plasmas are generally plenty bright for even the most demanding high-ambient-light viewing.

LCD still suffer from a slight "trailer" effect, where the individual pixels are just slightly out of step with the image on the screen. During fast moving sports scenes, the most discerning eyes can detect this slight motion response lag.

In terms of picture quality, plasmas and LCDs are becoming more and more equal, although we still generally recommend the best plasmas over the best LCDs for critical home-theater viewing. Most people will be perfectly happy with either technology, however, especially with high-def sources. For screen sizes between 37 and 42 inches, the buying decision generally boils down to price, the performance of individual models, and the perception of plasma's fragility, a perception that, again, is largely mistaken.

Nekaj opažanj glede 1080p

...While this isn't the most scientific test, both Katzmaier and I agreed that, after scanning through Mission: Impossible III for an hour, it would be very difficult--practically impossible--for the average consumer to tell the difference between a high-definition image displayed on a 1080p-capable TV and one with lower native resolution.

At larger screen sizes, the differences might become somewhat more apparent, especially if you sit close to the screen.

Reviewers like Katzmaier, who look at dozens of TVs over the course of the year, can see some very minor differences in picture sharpness when you step up to 1080p. How 1080i vs. 1080p plays out with video games--three PS3 launch titles offer native 1080p support--is less clear, but in the little time I've spent with the PS3, the differences seem very subtle and are ultimately tied into how good graphically the game looks to begin with. For instance, I saw Activision's Marvel: Ultimate Alliance on a 1080p Sony display, and the game looked decent, but it's not graphically stunning to begin with, so it wasn't completely amazing. By comparison, Resistance: Fall of Man looked great--even though the resolution is "only" 720p native, the PS3 exclusive makes far better use of the system's graphical horsepower than the Marvel game, which was simultaneously developed for all home consoles.

So when buying a TV, the last thing you probably want to do is agonize over its native resolution. If you don't mind spending the extra dough for 1080p, go for it. But if it's stretching your budget, then take a pass, knowing it's not all that it's cracked up to be.

...The truth about 1080p

In the last couple of years, there has been a big influx of HDTVs with 1080p native resolution, which typically cost a good deal more than their lower-resolution counterparts. But as we've been saying all along, once you get to high-def, the difference between resolutions becomes much more difficult to appreciate. We've done side-by-side tests between two 46-inch LCD HDTVs, one with 1366x768 resolution and the other with 1080p resolution, using the same 1080i source material, and it was extremely difficult for us to see any difference. It becomes even more difficult at smaller screen sizes or farther seating distances--say, more than 1.5 times the diagonal measurement of the screen. We've reviewed a 37-inch 1080p LCD, for example, where it was impossible to see the separation between horizontal lines at farther than 45 inches away.

We're not telling you to ignore 1080p HDTVs. They technically do deliver more detail, which can enhance the viewing experience for more eagle-eyed viewers. Also, many manufacturers build other picture-quality benefits, such as better contrast and/or color, into their 1080p HDTVs simply because those sets are the high-end models. And given the continuing march of technology, we expect more and more 1080p models to become available at lower and lower prices. Today, however, the premium for 1080p is still pretty steep, and unless you're getting a very large set, say 50 inches or more, we don't recommend basing a buying decision on whether or not the television has 1080p native resolution.

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Jst sm zdej mal v dilemi kaj kupit. Mam že dolgo časa ogledano Sony KDL-32V2000 sam kolkr so obljubljal price drop cena ni še nč padla. Zdej pa gledam tud mal plazme in za enak dnar dobiš po 10 " večje zaslone. Tomyboy pa kar se vas spozna, katero HD televizijo se najbolj splača kupit za ~300k. Nabavu bi v Avstriji, rabu bi pa predvsem za konzole (trenutno PS2, GC, do poletja verjetno tud x360).

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Če kupuješ HDTV v tej velikosti do 36 inch, je sigurna edina izbira LCD.

Letošnja zmagovalca EISA :

EUROPEAN LCD TV

Sony KDL-32V2000

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EUROPEAN HIGH-END LCD TV

Philips 37PF9731D

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Tudi pri izboru Samsunga ne boš ustrelil mimo. Lanskoletni zmagovalec

Samsung

LE40M61B

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Če pa kupuješ HDTV nad 100 cm, priporočam nakup plazme, že zaradi zgoraj omenjenih razlogov. Razlika v ceni pa tudi ni velika.

Drugače na področju plazem dominira Pioneer in če imaš odveč 2mil SIT, kupiš najboljše, kar se ta trenutek da kupiti. :)

Pioneer PDP5000EX

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ugodno je sigurno, glede na to da gre za Full HD. Sam bi rajši za isti denar vzel nekaj večjega pa da ma 720p oz. do 1080i resolucije.

Hvala za odgovor.

A je potem bolje vzeti tega Samsunga 40" full hd:

http://www.bof.si/sl/product.cp2?guid=3 ... &linkid=15

Je važno da ima 1080i potem ?

Sicer ne bi dajal 160.000 več če je ista resolucija za tiste 3".

Gruntam čez čas gor dati PS 3 ko pride k nam ?

Lp

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Sem bolj laik kot ne, a ti vseeno lahko povem kar sem izvedel od drugih oz. na netu. Tudi v tem topicu. Preglej ga od začetka in preberi o resoluciji, hdju in tako dalje..

Full HD je trenutno predraga zadeva glede na to, da je takega materiala zelo malo, tudi dostopni hd kanali kakor vem ne oddajajo v tej resoluciji. Trenutno je zakon 720p. V bistvu naj bi bil 1080i slabši od 720p, ker gre za prepleteno sliko.. S prostim očesom iz eno 3eh ali 4eh metrov naj sploh ne bi opazil razlike med 1080p in 720p.

Drugače pa od LCDjev je Sony KDL-40V2000 baje dobra zadeva. So pa sedaj na voljo tudi malo novejši modeli V2500. In seveda full hd modeli kot npr. Sony KDL-40W2000..

Drugače pa sam nameravam nabaviti plazmo LG 42PC1RR. Zelo dobra cena, odlična plazma, ima tudi 80gb diska, dobila eisa nagrado.Spet čisto drugi topic...

Moreš napisati kaj več o tem za kaj boš vse rabil tv, koliko denarja imaš na razpolago, velikost sobe, oddaljenost gledanja... Kaj bo vse gor priklopljeno.. Šele potem se da kaj izbirat..

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tomyboy, gledam stare poste in vidim to sliko BD playerja. sej PS3 je BD playeer. in to 1080p, ker je zer gut, jaja

pa samo 600€ velja, za razliko od one pionerjeve za 2000€

Zato pa že nestrpno čakam, kot marsikdo drug, da končno pride 23. marec.

Ker najcenejša komponenta, je še vedno preko 1k EUR. Zato je bolje počakati ali pa ubrati najboljšo alternativo, ki je PS3. :beer:

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najcenejša alternativa je:

1. imaš spodoben računalik

2. skineš hd material z neta

3. imaš spodobno plazmo/lcd

4. preko dvi-->hdmi predvajaš na tvju

5. debelo gledaš kako je dobra slika :lol:

mam plazmo 42PC1R in lahko to potrdim. drugače mi je 720p čisto dovolj. do nadaljnega. slika je fantastična, presenetljivo tudi za divx filme.

drugače pa tudi sam razmišljam o nakupu ps3ja. ampak ne v smislu BD playerja, bolj se mi gre zaradi konzole. bom vidu. nism se še odločil. morda bi pa xbox360 mel?! hm.. :crazy:

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Povezavo PC-ja in HD Plazme, prakticiram že skoraj dve leti, še pred izidom XBOX-360 .

Še vedno je to danes "najcenejša" in nepogrešljiva kombinacija za gledanje video materijala, vsaj za mene. Čeprav je materijala v 720p zelo malo, ta tudi preko navadnega PC(VGA) priključka izgleda fantastično. Škoda da serije z oznako HR(high resolution) niso v pravem 720p formatu in jih zmanjšajo na resolucije 944x544.

Na drugi strani, pa se preko componentnega kabla, že vedi bistvena razlika na videu, ki je posnet v pravem 720p formatu (XBOX 360).

Kako bo pa izgledal preko HDMI priključka, na katerem se mi nabira prah že skoraj dve leti, bom pa videli drugi mesec. :)

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Sem čakal, da naredijo novo linijo,da lahko počasi menjamo staro dobro "Pajonirko". :) Samo ta FulllHD je še vedno prekleto draga. V glavnem serija KURO, po japonsko ČRNO, bo res to to, sama špica med zasloni.

Alternativa je model nižje, ki ni Full HD in brez Digital Tunerja.

http://www.redcoon.de/index.php/cmd/sho ... Id/idealo/

Ampak vsi komentarji novinarjev in revij za novo serijo KURO so si podobni. :)

Having reviewed hundreds of TVs in my time, I'm not easily impressed any more. But I've been living with one of Pioneer's new Kuro TVs for a couple of weeks now, and still my jaw hits the floor every time I turn it on. Truly revolutionary stuff."

...To see these screens in action, I can report that jaws did indeed drop and drool was spilled because the HD images were simply stunning with no sign of picture noise, but with incredibly inky blacks and superb contrast levels...

...Not to put too fine a point on it, this TV's pictures really are the very best we have ever seen on a flat TV. No probably, no arguably - they just are. By some margin, in fact.....

Televisions don't get much better than this. A winning combination of excellent picture quality, stylish design and user-friendly features, this 50-inch plasma should be at the top of any serious home cinema fan's shopping list. It's pricey, but it's worth it...

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